Quest Big Betty and Betty-Gee

I picked up this Quest Big Betty like so many other rocketeers do - it was there and I had the uncontrollable urge to buy a rocket to add to my already ridiculous round-tuit pile  

It's a not-so-subtle facsimile of the Estes Big Bertha –  more so since I added a fourth fin.  And of course, the 18mm motor mount had to go. I replaced it with a 24mm mount using Totally Tubular's foil lined T-50mf.  Motor retention was added using 2-56 all-thread and brass hooks. 

The fins were re-inforced with card stock at the roots. 

It rips on D's and E's, and I had plans of maybe putting an F32 in it someday.  I have one in my stash, and it's a good match for a rocket like this.



Motor Retention
Here's a close-up of the motor tube.  The annular space around the motor tube isn't wide enough to mount T-nuts in, but I could mount some all-thread.  The key was fashioning hooks that worked with studs.  Doing it this way allowed me to cut the all-threads off such that no pointy objects are protruding aft. 

Normally, hooks would be S-shaped as indicated in blue below.  But because of the short annular radius, there is no way a hook could fit between the motor tube and the all-thread - the hook would be too close to the all-thread and block the nut from turning.  So the hooks had to be shaped differently.  

These were made from fairly thick brass strips from the hobby store (or hardware store).  It would take an extraordinary motor event to bend one.



Followup:  The rocket above was lost in action at NARAM 45 near Evansville, Indiana in 2003.  And along with it went my 24mm RMS case.  But not to dwell on it, I began a replacement. 

Betty-Gee
A tribute to the classic Astron Apogee

Here's my replacement Betty complete with booster.  I like the old kit card artwork, so I painted it in that style.  But had to get a decal made since the new kit I bought has a totally different (and huge) decal.

As it turns out, "Big" should have been a much larger font, and "Betty" should have been lower case after the B

Like my last one, I added a fourth fin thus making it more like the Apogee II (and the Bertha).  It lacks the payload section of the Apogee II.  If I had to over again, I'd probably go for a much more Apogee-esque finish and at least paint in a faux payload space with black spiral stripe.

The booster is shorter than scale length.  Frankly, it would have been huge if it were perfectly scale.  I chose to shorten it to keep down the size and to allow tape-together staging.

Even with all these deviations, I find it to be a very likable tribute to the venerable Apogee II.



Starting at the top and working my way down, here are some details about the rocket. 

Instead of using the plastic loop molded into the nosecone, I wanted a connection more substantial, so I cut a slot in the side of the nosecone shoulder, and then mounted a #6 screw-eye.  This nosecone's not coming off without a catastrophic event


The shock cord is a 3/8" wide nylon strip.  I can't recall where I got it, but what I like about it is that its width helps to minimize the chances of a zipper in the event of a late or early deployment.  Inside the airframe, kevlar is connected to the motor mount and transitions to the nylon just below the opening.


Here's a good look at my shock management technique.  I fold the shock cord then wrap it with 1/4" masking tape for several inches.  If I get a hard deployment, the tape gets torn.  This dissipates the energy of the event and protects the chute from shredding and the body tube from zippering.   Plus, unlike elastic, it doesn't store the energy; it won't pull the nosecone crashing back into the rocket.




Here's a close look at the motor hook.  It's made from piano wire.  There's no forward tang - any length motor will fit in tube.  So an aft thrust ring must be on the motor.  Three wraps of 1/4" masking tape works fine for me.

There are two ways deal with the hook when staging.  It can either be left pushed out of the way by the motor (thus requiring the sustainer motor be friction fitted) or it can be pushed into the gap between the taped-together motors.  I usually cut a small notch in the forward end of the booster motor to allow for the hook to poke through.  That way, the hook gets used for its intended purpose.  It pokes a small hole in the cellphane tape joining the motors, but poses no problems for staging.




The aft centering ring is moved well forward to allow room for the staging coupler.  It helps to make the motor tube longer so that its rings aren't too close together.

1/4" launch lugs were used.  This allows a 6' long launch rod.  It turns out that the rocket flies fine on a 4' rod, but when I was building it, it wasn't clear how slow it would be off the rod.

The back end is it a bit ragged.  Staging seems to take an extra toll on rockets.  I think the hot air blast at separation has a extra detrimental effect.



The staging coupler extends forward about 1" out of the booster.  As I recall, I made this one using a 38mm motor tube coupler with a few wraps of tissue and dope. 

The Quest T40 tube's inside diameter is about 1.55", and the couplers are in the range 1.50 to 1.52", so they'll be a sloppy fit without the tissue.





The booster motor tube has a relief cut in it for the sustainer motor hook.



Even with the shortened (from scale) booster, I still had to recess the motor tube about 1/2" in order to employ tape-together staging without having to glue extensions on the booster motors.

(Given all these tradeoffs, in hindsight, gap staging might have been a good idea, although the booster would have been much heavier if it was scale length.)




Here's the Betty-Gee in action at a launch in McGregor, Texas.





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9-20-2010